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		<title>By: Owlthena</title>
		<link>http://deafpagancrossroads.com/2008/05/17/but-hello-anyway/#comment-19016</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Greetings,
just found your blog, and love it! I truly loved how you handled this guys comment by commenting on everyone elses comment on what the guy said, good move.
I am HOH I have an artifical eardrum in one ear, but still HOH, not being able to hear all that is being said is a hardship, because sometimes my responses are not in keeping with what was spoken by the other, and makes for some interesting backtracking to say th least. I just wanted to say that I admire your spunk and individuality! and look forward to reading more of your humble opinions:)
blessings
Owlthena )0(]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings,<br />
just found your blog, and love it! I truly loved how you handled this guys comment by commenting on everyone elses comment on what the guy said, good move.<br />
I am HOH I have an artifical eardrum in one ear, but still HOH, not being able to hear all that is being said is a hardship, because sometimes my responses are not in keeping with what was spoken by the other, and makes for some interesting backtracking to say th least. I just wanted to say that I admire your spunk and individuality! and look forward to reading more of your humble opinions:)<br />
blessings<br />
Owlthena )0(</p>
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		<title>By: HAWK</title>
		<link>http://deafpagancrossroads.com/2008/05/17/but-hello-anyway/#comment-18983</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 15:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I will acknowledge that Gobae does have a point. I have seen plenty of Pagan newbies who do in fact conduct themselves in the manner of which he speaks, and I agree that it&#039;s more important to live your religion than to merely be advertising it.

However, while the message may have merit, I object to the way it was phrased. It comes across too much like this individual is making gross general assumptions about Osh without knowing her, or having met her. 

To quote, 

&lt;em&gt;&quot;I have a pretty good feeling that you would do the same thing if you went to a meeting of deaf Pagans: you’d shove your firewalking down their throat and they’d accuse you of being “too firewalking” for their taste.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

I think that&#039;s being harsh. It&#039;s almost as if any time Ocean tries to educate people about Deafhood/deafness, Paganism, or Firewalking... according to this guy she&#039;s merely engaging in shoving her own identity, beliefs, opinions, etc. down their throat... and irritating folks in the process. 

I don&#039;t think that&#039;s the case - and I speak as someone who has known Osh personally for over ten years. Yes, she can be opinionated and outspoken... but I think she&#039;s also fair, compassionate, and open-minded. 

I think where Paganism is concerned, yes... it&#039;s easier to keep this under wraps and only share such information with those who show a willingness to listen and learn. I don&#039;t think Osh flaunts her religion, but neither is she going to shy away from being honest about her spiritual path either. 

But where being Deaf concerned, I think Ocean (and other deaf/Deaf/hard-of-hearing folks) has a legitimate reason to want to share this information... if for no other reason that she needs to in order to assure that effective communication can take place, and her needed accomodations are being met. 

I&#039;ve seen far too many people telling Osh &quot;I don&#039;t need to know anything about deafness, you speak and lipread just fine, I have no problems communicating with you, I don&#039;t even see you as being a deaf person.&quot; What such people neglect to understand is that just because Ocean does speak and lipread well, doesn&#039;t mean that she always understands what you are saying, and it doesn&#039;t make her any less of a Deaf person. 

And if people are going to get &quot;irritated&quot; when she attempts to point out this fact...

Then they are the ones with the problem, not her.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will acknowledge that Gobae does have a point. I have seen plenty of Pagan newbies who do in fact conduct themselves in the manner of which he speaks, and I agree that it&#8217;s more important to live your religion than to merely be advertising it.</p>
<p>However, while the message may have merit, I object to the way it was phrased. It comes across too much like this individual is making gross general assumptions about Osh without knowing her, or having met her. </p>
<p>To quote, </p>
<p><em>&#8220;I have a pretty good feeling that you would do the same thing if you went to a meeting of deaf Pagans: you’d shove your firewalking down their throat and they’d accuse you of being “too firewalking” for their taste.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>I think that&#8217;s being harsh. It&#8217;s almost as if any time Ocean tries to educate people about Deafhood/deafness, Paganism, or Firewalking&#8230; according to this guy she&#8217;s merely engaging in shoving her own identity, beliefs, opinions, etc. down their throat&#8230; and irritating folks in the process. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s the case &#8211; and I speak as someone who has known Osh personally for over ten years. Yes, she can be opinionated and outspoken&#8230; but I think she&#8217;s also fair, compassionate, and open-minded. </p>
<p>I think where Paganism is concerned, yes&#8230; it&#8217;s easier to keep this under wraps and only share such information with those who show a willingness to listen and learn. I don&#8217;t think Osh flaunts her religion, but neither is she going to shy away from being honest about her spiritual path either. </p>
<p>But where being Deaf concerned, I think Ocean (and other deaf/Deaf/hard-of-hearing folks) has a legitimate reason to want to share this information&#8230; if for no other reason that she needs to in order to assure that effective communication can take place, and her needed accomodations are being met. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen far too many people telling Osh &#8220;I don&#8217;t need to know anything about deafness, you speak and lipread just fine, I have no problems communicating with you, I don&#8217;t even see you as being a deaf person.&#8221; What such people neglect to understand is that just because Ocean does speak and lipread well, doesn&#8217;t mean that she always understands what you are saying, and it doesn&#8217;t make her any less of a Deaf person. </p>
<p>And if people are going to get &#8220;irritated&#8221; when she attempts to point out this fact&#8230;</p>
<p>Then they are the ones with the problem, not her.</p>
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		<title>By: Gobae</title>
		<link>http://deafpagancrossroads.com/2008/05/17/but-hello-anyway/#comment-18982</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gobae]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 15:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the OP of that comment is being misunderstood.

There IS a difference between actively suppressing one&#039;s individuality or hiding it (which is what most people here have interpreted  the OP to mean) and taking steps not to *advertise* one&#039;s individuality (what *I* think the OP meant).

Advertising one&#039;s uniqueness can be seen as arrogant, attention seeking, egotistical, or being a show-off.  This can even be done to gain further attention because they will be then be persecuted for what they are &quot;advertising&quot;.

While this isn&#039;t by any means limited to the pagan community it is a very common trait amongst newly converted pagans who feel the need to enthusiastically display the trappings of their new conversion.  And then when they get a backlash they get to play the martyr.

How many times have you seen newbies pile on the pentagram jewelry, plaster their car with &quot;The Goddess is alive and maigck is afoot&quot; bumper stickers, and say &quot;Oh my goddess&quot; and become overly sensitive to any Christian references?

Do the pagan religions require us to be &quot;in your face&quot; obviously advertising our religions for all to see?  No they don&#039;t.  So why do it?

Don&#039;t hide your religion.  Don&#039;t advertise your religion.  Find the happy medium - LIVE your religion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the OP of that comment is being misunderstood.</p>
<p>There IS a difference between actively suppressing one&#8217;s individuality or hiding it (which is what most people here have interpreted  the OP to mean) and taking steps not to *advertise* one&#8217;s individuality (what *I* think the OP meant).</p>
<p>Advertising one&#8217;s uniqueness can be seen as arrogant, attention seeking, egotistical, or being a show-off.  This can even be done to gain further attention because they will be then be persecuted for what they are &#8220;advertising&#8221;.</p>
<p>While this isn&#8217;t by any means limited to the pagan community it is a very common trait amongst newly converted pagans who feel the need to enthusiastically display the trappings of their new conversion.  And then when they get a backlash they get to play the martyr.</p>
<p>How many times have you seen newbies pile on the pentagram jewelry, plaster their car with &#8220;The Goddess is alive and maigck is afoot&#8221; bumper stickers, and say &#8220;Oh my goddess&#8221; and become overly sensitive to any Christian references?</p>
<p>Do the pagan religions require us to be &#8220;in your face&#8221; obviously advertising our religions for all to see?  No they don&#8217;t.  So why do it?</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t hide your religion.  Don&#8217;t advertise your religion.  Find the happy medium &#8211; LIVE your religion.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruby Phoenix</title>
		<link>http://deafpagancrossroads.com/2008/05/17/but-hello-anyway/#comment-18981</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ruby Phoenix]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 16:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To put it more clearly the responsibility is not with the person who is different to blend in. The responsibility is with the person who meets the different person, to grow.  Why have you come into my life? What are you here to teach me?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To put it more clearly the responsibility is not with the person who is different to blend in. The responsibility is with the person who meets the different person, to grow.  Why have you come into my life? What are you here to teach me?</p>
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		<title>By: Ruby Phoenix</title>
		<link>http://deafpagancrossroads.com/2008/05/17/but-hello-anyway/#comment-18980</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ruby Phoenix]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 15:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps the problem is that when a person comes across a person who is definateally different from themselves it requires them to do something. That something is to stretch, to grow. Growing is great but it can at the same time be uncomfortable. Remember losing your teeth as a child so new adult teeth could grow in? Something of the same thing happens spiritually when we allow spiritual growth. The old is cast off so the new grows in. For some people this is a scary process and so they blame the person who would have triggered the growth had they allowed it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the problem is that when a person comes across a person who is definateally different from themselves it requires them to do something. That something is to stretch, to grow. Growing is great but it can at the same time be uncomfortable. Remember losing your teeth as a child so new adult teeth could grow in? Something of the same thing happens spiritually when we allow spiritual growth. The old is cast off so the new grows in. For some people this is a scary process and so they blame the person who would have triggered the growth had they allowed it.</p>
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		<title>By: birch</title>
		<link>http://deafpagancrossroads.com/2008/05/17/but-hello-anyway/#comment-18979</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[birch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 00:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[you are who you are, and you cant be no one else. blending in is ok for survival&#039;s sake, but then comes the time when you got to stand up and say - this is me, this is who I AM and if others don&#039;t like it too too baaaaaad...because if you dress a certain way or behave a certain way not because you want to but to blend in and you do it for too long, ya kinda lose your sense of self]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you are who you are, and you cant be no one else. blending in is ok for survival&#8217;s sake, but then comes the time when you got to stand up and say &#8211; this is me, this is who I AM and if others don&#8217;t like it too too baaaaaad&#8230;because if you dress a certain way or behave a certain way not because you want to but to blend in and you do it for too long, ya kinda lose your sense of self</p>
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